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sneak peek | interview with Fanny & Mindy


Hear from the makers and shakers in the world of how we can each build more inclusive business practices, brands, products, and communities. Fanny Krivoy and Mindy Eng are the co-hosts of the Project Inclusion Podcast, and they’re bringing you into the room where these conversations are happening. Listen to the sneak peek where you listen to podcasts.

  Mindy Eng:  Alongside the makers and shakers in the world of how we build better business practices and products, we are lifting the veil on inclusion this year to show you what it takes to build an inclusive product, brand, or community, and how connected thinking is a secret ingredient in each of these businesses. Fanny Krivoy:  If organizations and investors agree on the value that equity, inclusion, and diversity brings to businesses, then why does it remain a point of contention inside the walls of every business? Mindy Eng:  Why is inclusion such an enigmatic challenge for businesses to put into action? Fanny Krivoy:  How can businesses reap the benefits of inclusive operations without getting stuck with the politics of it? Mindy Eng:  Does accessibility mean inclusivity when it comes to designing products and services? Fanny Krivoy:  I’m Fanny Krivoy. Mindy Eng:  And I’m Mindy Eng, and we’re the hosts of Project Inclusion. Fanny Krivoy:  There are things we can do today to turn inclusion, equity and diversity intentions into action. Project Inclusion explains how trailblazing brands, visionary entrepreneurs, designers, policymakers, educators and scientists will point you in the right direction. [ transition music …. previews begin ] Ashton Applewhite:  If you had told me ten years ago that I would be fascinated by aging, I would have said, “Why do I want to think about something so yucky as a person?” I started writing about it because I was afraid of getting older, but aging is not a problem, or a disease — it’s a journey we embark on the day we’re born, and it’s the one universal human experience. Frances West:  When we talk about inclusion, this is a topic about humans. And when you talk about humans, each one of us plays a role in that. As we ask the question of others as to how you can help with inclusion, I think it’s very important that we ask ourselves as to what individually you can do to help to address this. Daniele Fiandaca:  As you know, the change-makers are a small proportion of the population  — the people that go out of their way just to help others. So what we started to realize is that we would like to make everyone change-makers within an organization, so rather than making it about one big change everyone can get behind, it was about everyone making lots and lots and lots of small changes — it’s really about a hacker mentality. Sharon Zhang:   We want to build an AI for every individual. We want AI to not be something for just a certain percent of the population, not just for businesses, not just for the internet, and not just for selected people. We want to democratize that. History is memories of everyone’s past — and not just the winners. Dorrie Rush:  I started to really see what a challenge this was — that it wasn’t going to be easy to transition into vision loss in terms of technology. I connected with Microsoft. I started to talk to people and get involved, and say, “What’s going on? Why aren’t things better?” Chip Conley:   My experience was going there and being the old person in a very young company. I was twice the age of the average employee in the company. If you really think of the workplace as almost a generational potluck, where everyone brings what they do best or what they know best — that is a beautiful opportunity to create a feast. But actually the workplace is not smart yet about age diversity — especially in the tech world. They don’t even think about it. They don’t think about age as a form of diversity. [ previews end … transition music ] Fanny Krivoy:  Join the conversation and explore the multiple dimensions of how we can all put inclusion into action. Mindy Eng:  Change starts with you. Get inspired, get thinking, and start putting inclusion in action. Subscribe to the Project Inclusion podcast from your favourite listening platform, or check out our website at

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about fanny & mindy

Fanny is the Founder of Analogous, a leading branding & design consultancy that helps organizations connect to the broadest possible client base through their brands, digital products, and experiences by unlocking the potential of brand experiences through inclusive design and accessibility. She brings a better understanding of differences to expand access, use, and prosperity.  Before Analogous Fanny led experience design teams at Schematic, Renegade and Organic. Fanny has extensive teaching experience, she  teaches and conducts research at Pratt Institute and NYU. She is the creator and co-host of Project Inclusion.

Mindy specializes in applying inclusive design thinking to identify and operationalize cultural, professional, and business growth opportunities across an organization. She is a huge proponent of the need to expand and challenge the industry’s narrow definitions of inclusion to help brands adopt broader outlooks on what inclusive engagement looks like inside workplaces, products, and communities. She co-hosts Project Inclusion.